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New guy and I'm clueless on a setup.

Postby 913A » Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:57 pm

Hello and thanks for letting me join your board!

So, I'm thinking about hanging up the slicks and all the NHRA hoopla and running my RED in the sand.

Anyone out there who could point me in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.

My current setup (for 1320'):
Methanol injected SBC
210" wheel base
Shorty Glide 1.96 1st 1.00 2nd
Shift @7200
4.11 ford 9" rear end
5500 stall
33x12x15 slicks
Car weighs 1500 pounds with the driver

Current best ET of 7.84@167 MPH

How does someone setup a dragster for the sand (300 feet)? What size paddles? Gear ratios, etc..

Thanks for any help you can offer!
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Re: New guy and I'm clueless on a setup.

Postby sandaltered » Fri Apr 03, 2015 6:22 am

Where will you be racing?

You're pretty much there.

Go find yourself a 6.00 or 6.50 gear for that nine inch.

Some 33.5x17x16 or 34.5" 16 Staggered Super Scoopers and a set of smoothees for the front. You'll have yourself a a mid 3 second ride.

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Re: New guy and I'm clueless on a setup.

Postby 913A » Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:18 am

Some place in Oregon. Thanks for the info!
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Re: New guy and I'm clueless on a setup.

Postby Straight Shooter » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:30 pm

Hope to see you at Albany June 27th and 28th.
http://www.albanymx.net/?page_id=93

That is a nice light car.

A set of 20.00 on a 15-or 16 wide wheel will be the minimum tire.
If you come across some used 32.0x14.5-15 with 14 Hookers on it this would be the minimum ideally on a 14" wide wheel.
16 to 18 staggered Kevlar Hookers on a 33.0-15x15 casing will work well and no bigger than 33.0x17.0-15 with 16 staggered Super Scoops. 15" or 16" wide wheels work well here. Never seen a 34.5-17x15 on sand except for blown alcohol. It would be super consistent with that much tire. Albany has a lot of bite. The quickest dirt/sand track on the left coast.

With a 5500 stall I would be looking at 6.50 minimum to as low as 7.00's

I would lean towards the middle size tires for that horsepower. I would expect 3.8 ET's in the mid 80 mph range. A looser converter will help get it down another tenth or two. 60's will be in the 1.35 to 1.43 range when you get it right.

It should be a killer bracket car. I am a regular contributor to the pro one purse.
Best pass during 2015 races 3.092@104.4mph at Albany OR. All motor single 4 on race gas.
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Re: New guy and I'm clueless on a setup.

Postby sandaltered » Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:22 am

Straight Shooter wrote:Hope to see you at Albany June 27th and 28th.
http://www.albanymx.net/?page_id=93

That is a nice light car.

A set of 20.00 on a 15-or 16 wide wheel will be the minimum tire.
If you come across some used 32.0x14.5-15 with 14 Hookers on it this would be the minimum ideally on a 14" wide wheel.
16 to 18 staggered Kevlar Hookers on a 33.0-15x15 casing will work well and no bigger than 33.0x17.0-15 with 16 staggered Super Scoops. 15" or 16" wide wheels work well here. Never seen a 34.5-17x15 on sand except for blown alcohol. It would be super consistent with that much tire. Albany has a lot of bite. The quickest dirt/sand track on the left coast.

With a 5500 stall I would be looking at 6.50 minimum to as low as 7.00's

I would lean towards the middle size tires for that horsepower. I would expect 3.8 ET's in the mid 80 mph range. A looser converter will help get it down another tenth or two. 60's will be in the 1.35 to 1.43 range when you get it right.

It should be a killer bracket car. I am a regular contributor to the pro one purse.


You guys seem to run a lot less tire than we do here in the midwest. Maybe surface difference. You'd absolutely fry a set of 14 Hookers here on a setup like that. Definitely interesting to know what people run in different areas. Helps me being a Skat-Trak dealer understand.
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Re: New guy and I'm clueless on a setup.

Postby Straight Shooter » Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:35 am

I would say at least half of blown alcohol cars run Hookers. The other half runs Super Scoops.

Here is a couple sample cars that get by on small tires.
This buddy here has run 3.9's on a 16.50 STU on a 650 horse Jeep.
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The red car here runs 3.5's on 20.00 STU. He win's a lot so the consistency is there.
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I have run 3.5's on 14 plain Hookers on a 32.0-14x15 tire but it started breaking and throwing cups so I went to a bigger casing and Kevlar reinforced cups. Those have held up well since 2001. I think this tire was real close traction wise to the 20.00 STU.
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Re: New guy and I'm clueless on a setup.

Postby sandaltered » Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:32 am

That track looks similar to what we run on in most places in this area.

The trend here has been increasing the tire diameter. I had 33x17x15s with 18 Super Scoops 2 Ply. Switched to 34.5's last year, 16 SS and 1 Ply. Car seems to really like that setup. Unfortunately I am out of the power band on the engine now. But we just ran our best ever et on motor a few weeks ago. So I am not sure.
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Re: New guy and I'm clueless on a setup.

Postby Straight Shooter » Sat Jun 20, 2015 11:54 am

Hi Mike,
What is your combo?


On mine I'm thinking I need a little less bite. It is a bit too aggressive on the starting line and I can't get it up to peak at the finish line. I want to revisit 20.00's and maybe even 16.50's. Then I will be trying a lower rear gear and a taller first in the transmission after I get a few more runs logged. For next year I am considering a new chassis. By going to chrome moly I can dump about 100 pounds. I just need to get my percentages perfected so I can implement them into the new car rather than adding weight.

Check out the Sand Storm primer video that Kam McCallister put up last year. It shows a bunch of cars running on this track. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s98L17DI8hw
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Re: New guy and I'm clueless on a setup.

Postby sandaltered » Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:10 am

This is the car:

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It's 130" wheelbase, all moly built by myself. It's about 1350lbs.

The engine is 410" 18 Degree Dart, with Dart aluminum block. Injected alcohol. We spray it too, but not all the time. So I have a converter that's not really right for either N/A or Spray. Probably a little too tight N/A and seems way too loose on spray.

We've ran several 3.40's in the NA setup recently running a 3.39 on Cleves pea gravel track. And we just consistently broke into the 3.20's spraying it last year, running a 3.22 @ 102.
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Re: New guy and I'm clueless on a setup.

Postby Straight Shooter » Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:10 pm

That is a really sharp looking car. Even cooler is you built it.

What is the current specs on your converter? Low gear ratio and final drive ratio.

I see a thermocouple on #1. Are you running a data recorder? I'm getting one late next month. Then we will be learning from every pass instead of scratching our heads and going by each persons feelings.

One other observation is the super long primary tubes. Above 5000 on a 410 they most likely are slowing you down. If it was mine I would cut them off as short as you can still get slip on merge collectors to fit. This will help wake up the top end. There is not a lot of power in headers but there is a little. I found out Schoenfeld makes custom headers for pretty cheap. I thought they only made what was in the catalog. Not exactly. They can tweek them a lot. They are super fast too. Order Monday and was bolting them on Friday. I had them build my 3 step primary pipes when I got behind and didn't have time to build my own. I just wish they made stainless.
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